The French parliament has launched an inquiry into how many women wear head-to-toe Islamic veils in France. President Nicolas Sarkozy used the occasion to spell out that "the burqa is not welcome in France", leading to concerns that he would ban it in public places. A French Muslim explains to us why she chooses to wear the sitar - the Saudi full-face cover - and why Sarkozy's comments frighten her.
Oum Abdallah (not her real name) lives in Marseille. She's worn the sitar for 10 years.
I'm French,
I'm not of Arab origin. The rest of my family is either atheist or agnostic;
none of them are Muslim. I decided to convert to Islam well before getting
married. Until my wedding day I wore a headscarf but didn't cover my face, and
from my wedding day onwards I've worn the sitar. I would have done so earlier
but my parents disallowed it while I was still living at home.
I wear the full veil because it's what my religion wants. I dress like the prophet's wives; they're my role models. My husband didn't order me to do this, not at all. He leaves those decisions up to me, even if he does like that I cover up.
"People say that the women aren't respected in Islam, when in fact the religion is based on the well-being of women"
People say that the women aren't respected by Islam, when in fact the religion is based on the well-being of women - at home, as a wife and mother. How many Western women are victims of domestic violence in France today? The sitar is certainly not there to hide black eyes, like some stupid people think! It simply hides the beauty of a woman, which shows how highly they are regarded by Muslim men.
When I'm at home with my husband and my son I dress as I want. When my friends come over (most of whom wear the full veil too), I wear only a veil that covers my body. When I go out or am in the presence of men however, I always wear the sitar.
There's no problem at home. When we have friends over, my husband eats with the men and me with the women in another room... I pass him the plates to serve his guests. He's never seen my friends. Outside however, it can be tricky. People give me funny looks, sometimes insulting me. I leave the house as little as possible; only for things like going to the doctor, admin stuff etc.
"I miss swimming"
Life in France is not easy for a woman who wears the sitar and I dream of leaving. In Muslim countries, there are some beaches and parks especially for women. Of course I miss being able to swim. One of my friends goes to the sea sometimes. But she has to find a completely deserted beach and she swims fully dressed. That's no life. I know very well that in my case it's me who chose to adopt this way of living in France and not the other way round, but that's why I'd like to move to a Muslim country. It's not easy though - my husband would have to find a job first.
"We've talked a lot about if the burqa is banned"
We've talked a lot about if the burqa or the full veil is banned after Sarkozy hinted on it. We're really worried. That would mean that I couldn't leave the house at all! I've just been to get a new ID card, so I'm ok for the next ten years in that sense. But how would I go to the doctor?"
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Could you imagine if men
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Wed, 29/07/2009 - 01:17.Could you imagine if men wanted to totally cover themselves? Would the crime rate sky rocket? How would you describe the criminal who just committed murder, rape, theft etc....?
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Respect
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Wed, 22/07/2009 - 16:46.Why does France want to "liberate" those veiled women in the name of respect for women?
What about the girls in ads and publicity half naked, in music clips or in car shows. Should we not want to "liberate" those poor women who have lost all respect for themselves?
As long as we see those poor disrespected women in videoclips on TV we should accept women as respectable as these veiled ladies. They do not tell you what to wear so you should not tell them what they should wear, that is REAL FREEDOM and RESPECT.
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"What about the girls in ads
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Mon, 27/07/2009 - 14:57."What about the girls in ads and publicity half naked, in music clips or in car shows. Should we not want to "liberate" those poor women who have lost all respect for themselves?"
Are you saying they should be ashamed of their bodies? how cave manish.
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Ridiculous
Submitted by Unregistered user on Tue, 21/07/2009 - 16:19.Completely ridiculous...you chose to live a life where you cant even go to the beach and swim??? You cant eat in the same room as men?? Guess you dont hang out with your husband for superbowl parties! Oh wait, is American football banned too?? How can you play any sports wearing that thing?
Listen, France has enough Muslims. Muslims want to take over the world, carrying out countless acts of terrorism to try and take over land. I say, go back to Arab land if you're not happy. When you move to another country, you should adapt their way of life. If you're to ignorant to do so, then shame on you.
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burqua
Submitted by Unregistered user on Tue, 21/07/2009 - 02:31.I am not French and don't live in France. I was born into an Islamic society from which my parents fled like millions of others that fled to the west.
They did not flee because Islam was such a success and I don't see millions of westerners fleeing to the Middle East. Why not?
Converts [like you] tend to be fundermentalist but if you need to be the centre of attention, that's sad but your business. Could you walk through the streets of Riyadh or Kabul wearing what you wanted? of course not. Why not? So you want to live in a society [but can't, as your man would have to get a job]that denies the freedoms that you are demanding in France. Do you understand the word hypocrisy? of course not, you are too busy cooking and sawing up your eyes. Ultimately though, fools like you may have the choice but even you cannot deny that many women are not given that choice and that is what is important. You can leave a culture you don't like as my parents left one that disgusted them but many don't have your choice.
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Pourquois pas le viol ou le cello
Submitted by Unregistered user on Mon, 20/07/2009 - 21:58.I think this person should indeed dress as a sitar or any other musical instrument she chooses, just so long as that dark ghost horror costume goes in the trash. Who wants a nation of zombies floating around their streets? Please only in the movies.
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Sarkozy's racism
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Tue, 14/07/2009 - 11:34.What interests me is why Sarkozy has picked on the burkha to criticise and potentially ban, as if this was the only symbol of oppression against women. Many things, such as magazines (and the media generally), which portray the ideal image of how the West perceives a woman should look, behave and dress, oppress us 'ordinary' women. Most of us are not tall, slim, with perfect skin and hair, etc. For me, this is part of Sarkozy targetting Muslims, whipping-up fear and racism, to prepare for France joining the 'War against Terror'.
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WHY IS THIS THE ISSUE?
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Fri, 10/07/2009 - 10:47.I think politicians are very canny to force this issue. Smoke and mirrors. The real question should be: IS THE FABRIC OF THE BURKHA MADE IN FRANCE OR CHINA? If the clothing, music, agriculture, religion, and other cultural dimensions of France are important to politicians, then here are some other questions: Should French clothing be manufactured in other countries like China? Should food and nutrition, which Sarkosy claims should be a Unesco World Heritage, include the highest concentration of McDonald's in Europe? Should the manufacturing sector continue to see plant closing so that multi-national corporations can insure higher profit margins? Just how far are French politicians willing to go to preserve French culture? Oh I see, women's clothing should be the most important thing. In another article I defended the right of France to demand an end to the wearing of the Burkha, but did some soul searching, and now feel that there really are much larger questions than this.
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The French state is
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Fri, 10/07/2009 - 13:02.The French state is suffering from denial
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"Ecrasez l'infâme!", said Voltaire
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Thu, 09/07/2009 - 21:32.We've been fighting for years in Afghanistan where women are treated like slaves and are stoned to death in football stadiums, so why all of a sudden should the burka become a symbol of freedom in France??? Even Morocco, Tunisia and Turkey have banned it. Sorry, but there are things you cannot do in public. If I were an Adamite (a follower of an early Christian sect that believed in the "holy nudism" of Eden), should I be allowed to walk around naked in the name of religious freedom? Probably not. When you live in a foreign country, you abide by its laws and customs, instead of imposing your own. You are free to worship in private or at the mosque in France, as 99.99% of Muslims do, and the law is the same for ALL religions. So don't claim that France is intolerant and pretend to be a martyr if you refuse to integrate into society. Covering yourself all over because the rest of the world is "impure" is certainly the epitome of intolerance.
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Do you mean assimilation
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Fri, 10/07/2009 - 13:00.Do you mean assimilation rather than integration? In France there are types of French, one biological and the other cultural. Biological French is first class and cultural is second class. For get about immigrants, how do you intend to integrate people who have disabilities into French society? France is society that denies human rights, denies choice, denies freedom of expression because everything that the state doesn’t like it says that is a security risk. When was the last time France had an independent inquiry into any social issues. I think you need look at academic research that has been carried out on France and its social problems. Immigrants like people with disabilities don’t want any more rights than other French people, they just don’t want the rights to be foreclosed to them.
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The Truth
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Thu, 09/07/2009 - 12:34.The holy Quran says nothing about veils and the need to wrap the women like mummys, this is all just an ancient misogynist custom that needs to die out.
In Europe you have a choise to put this on or not, but in most Islamic nations if you don't wear it all the time then you are dead.
And if you are a muslim woman here in Europe and you insist in wearing the full body veil then you are a traitor to all the women who don't want to but are forced to do.
I belive that the goverment needs to ban this all around, how can you allow people going around with their face covered all the time? If you want then you can wear it in your home but you can't have your face covered in the public.
I personaly will redicule every woman i see from now on wearing a veil.
And if you are a man and you support this then try wearing one too all the time especialy at summer!
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veil
Submitted by Elias (not verified) on Wed, 08/07/2009 - 11:32.Firstly get your facts and terminology correct before you write articles. It is no surprise that France's attitudes towards the veil because the French State gives no dignity, no protection and no life to the most vulnerable in society such as people with disabilities.
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re: terminology
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Wed, 08/07/2009 - 19:11.Of course it's a veil...'traditional dress' is meant as traditional way of dressing.
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Whose traditional dress...
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Wed, 08/07/2009 - 19:48.Whose traditional dress... the images in articles are of a Niqab ...
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cultural intolerance in France
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Tue, 07/07/2009 - 21:29.I am completely appalled at the French government for even suggesting the idea that these Muslim women not be allowed to wear their traditional dress in public. I live in one of the most culturally diverse cities in the world- Toronto, Canada, and I am outraged at the ignorance, intolerance and lack of respect toward the Muslim community in France! I have completely lost any respect for Sarkozy- his comments are shameful and portray a very bad image of France.
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you must be crazy
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Sun, 19/07/2009 - 00:03.Respect the country you move to, if you are a minority you should do your best to fit in, speak the language, learn the values. If "white" people moved to Saudi Arabia would they be able to force people to live with western society's rules? Would they be able to live the way they did in the western world inside of Saudi? The answer is no and that is the reason Muslin people are running into.
beyond that, anybody that is religous is uneducated losers. They to live out the fairy tale. I'm reading Peter Pan, maybe I will live by what Mr Pan says. You religous[deleted] are the downfall of the world.
One day, after all the bombs are dropped for no reason you might actually see that you were all duped and the stupidity of your beliefs will come out.
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"The French parliament has
Submitted by Unregistered user on Tue, 07/07/2009 - 15:46."The French parliament has launched an inquiry into how many women wear head-to-toe Islamic veils in France. President Nicolas Sarkozy used the occasion to spell out that "the burqa is not welcome in France", leading to concerns that he would ban it in public places."
I once thought that French are just purists, but now I think they are overreacting. If President Sarkozy banned the wearing of burqa in France, it would mean that France is not a free society at all. And this would only prove that freedom in France is not for everyone.
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Let's go bathe naked on an Islam beach then!
Submitted by TS (not verified) on Mon, 06/07/2009 - 23:33.Since we're all tolerant about each other anyways now...?
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Cultures
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Mon, 06/07/2009 - 19:18.I live in the US where anyone can come into this country and do whatever they feel like doing. Our language has changed from one to two. We are forced by our own government to deal with the Mexicans coming into our country and pretty much taking over. I hate that my country has decided that the American people no longer count, yet illegals do.
My husband and I will be moving to France within the next year or so and I am doing the best I can to learn French because I feel that by going to THEIR and my husband's country it is my responsibility to learn what I can about their culture and not bring mine and think everyone should bow to me as an American.
Why should Sarkozy allow something that isn't part of that country? The Europeans are very proud people and wish for their countries to be what they have been for centuries, EUROPEAN.
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Get a grip
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Wed, 15/07/2009 - 13:06.First - human beings cannot be "illegals." Illegal immigration is one thing, a person another. Do you call Bernie Madoff an "illegal"? Your terminology makes you sound highly ignorant.
Second - You're right, American people don't count, but please don't fool yourself into thinking that immigrants (whether they are on U.S. territory illegally or not) do. It's all about cheap labor, and if Americans aren't willing to work 18 hour days doing back-breaking work in the fields -- guess what??? Those "illegals" you so disdain will do it happily.
If the government cared about Americanùs welfare, they would go after the agro corporations that abuse worker's rights, and that are delighted to hire seasonal workers from Mexico, or wherever the labor is cheapest.
Third - please explain to me how Mexicans are "taking over" the U.S. Do you mean the way we took over from the Native Americans when we arrived?
Finally, I just have to say that you and your misguided beliefs are in for a sweet surprise in France. Good thing - maybe you'll get an education, and not embarass the rest of us Americans living here too much in the process!
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Do you call Bernie Madoff an
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Fri, 24/07/2009 - 19:58.Do you call Bernie Madoff an "illegal"?
Yes,he is currently in federal prison
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First - human beings cannot
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Wed, 15/07/2009 - 18:18.First - human beings cannot be "illegals." WRONG the term is possesive it is a legit usage of the word
"Illegal immigration is one thing, a person another" WRONG again "Illegal immigration' cannot occure without the illegal Alien being in fact a person, in this case "Illegal alien" being a lawfull legal term of which the possesive form is "Illegal's"
"Your terminology makes you sound highly ignorant". again WRONG your ignorance of proper usage of correct terminology "makes you seem highly ignorant.
"makes you sound highly ignorant" Again WRONG no person is able to hear here,your misuse of english terminology makes you seem highly ignorant.
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Burqa = refusal to integrate into society
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Sat, 04/07/2009 - 09:52.When you go and live in a foreign country, you abide by its rules and don't try to impose your own! This is how one integrates into society. If you were born in France and choose to convert to Islam and wear the full veil, then you have to face the consequences. It's not as if the French had changed their minds on this issue overnight. Religion is a private matter and one shouldn't be exhibited it in public in a laic republic and this is even more true in schools. Lastly, while Sarkozy spoke against the burqa this week, the government was announcing new video cameras on the streets of Paris, and last week, they banned hoods and balaclavas during demonstrations to prevent vandalism. As a matter of coherence, what's the point in investing to protect the security of all, if a tiny minority has the right to hide under a burqa? Anyone could then walk around with their face covered and claim freedom of worship. France is a western country, where women are free, independent, can think by themselves and don't have to eat in a separate room, and where people look at each other in the eyes to communicate.
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Full Veil
Submitted by Unregistered user (not verified) on Thu, 02/07/2009 - 13:55.Why the face? The face and the eyes are such important parts when we communicate, why cover them up?
Hidding expressions like a smile, happiness, laughter, sadness, tears,..., etc. Why, I do not understand it.
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Nobody forces me...
Submitted by Agilis (not verified) on Wed, 01/07/2009 - 22:13.It is not even about being forced. Forced is something when you have do what you don't want to do! My wife, a Singaporean of Chinese origin wanted to join me to Iran. She was forced to wear the headscarf on the photos for her visa application. For a Singaporean who is used to visit Arab Street, Little India and all the other multi cultural places this was an act of force!
We all know to some point that Nicolas talks a lot, so what? He still does not force anybody into a dress code; right?
You know that sweet American boys when they wear their sunglasses while they are riding with their Hummvies through Baghdad. They wear them because they fear for their life. They don't want to be recognized because they are afraid of the consequences of their wrongdoing, even if they are ordered to behave as they do.
I take even my sunglasses off when I talk to someone else. This is a question of respect and I can not expect to be respected if I hide behind something. If religion is demanding to hide yourself then this of course may have some very good reasons!
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Rediculous
Submitted by Thomas Mc (not verified) on Wed, 01/07/2009 - 05:41.I'm not a Muslim, and I think burkhas are rediculous, but obviously Sarkozy is guilty of sugjugating women, by taking away their freedom to wear what they want, just because HE doesn't like it!
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WEARINT OF THE FULL VEIL OR BURQA
Submitted by JBULWORTH (not verified) on Tue, 30/06/2009 - 00:17.NICHOLAS SARKOZY OF FRANCE IS RIGHT ON POINT. HIS VIEWS IN THIS INSTANCE SHOULD BE SUPPORTED. WOMEN WEARING THE BURQA IS AN EXAMPLE OF RELIGIOUS EXTREMIST. IT IS JUST AN UNSEEMLY AND UNNATURAL SIGHT FOR WOMEN OR ANYONE FOR THAT MATTER TO BE WALKING DOWN THE STREET DRESSED IN EXTREMIST RELIGIOUS ATTIRE. IT SERVES NO USEFUL OR RELIGIOUS PURPOSES AT ALL. THE WEARING OF THE BURQA IS DIFFICULT TO JUSTIFY IT IS SCARY AND POTENTIALLY THREATENING. IT IS NOT DIFFICULT TO IMAGINE SOMEONE BEING OFFENDED OR FRIGHTED AT THE SIGHT OF STRANGE PERSON WALKING DOWN THE STREET WEARING A BURQA.
EVEN IN A FREE SOCIETY OR QUASI FREE SOCIETY THAT EXPRESSES REGLIGIOUS TOLERATION OR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, WEARING THE BURQUA IS DIFFICULT TO JUSTIFY. THE INTERESTS OF THE LARGER SOCIETY MUST BE SAFEGUARDED OR AT LEAST CONSIDERED IN LIGHT OF INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS BEING DENIED. ONE DOES NOT KNOW IMMEDIATELY KNOW WHETHER THE PERSON APPROACHING IS A PIOUS WOMAN WEARING THE BURQA OR A TERRORIST WIELDING SOME KIND OF WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION. THIS KIND OF THINKING IS NOT BEYOND THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY. AND IT IS THE KIND OF THINKING THAT TAKES PLACE DURING A POST 9/11 ERA. IN THIS INSTANCE THE INTERESTS OF THE LARGER SOCIETY MUST PREVAIL. AND IT IS THE DUTY AND RESPONSIBILITY OF SARKOZY TO SAFEGUARD THE INTERESTS OF ALL OF FRANCE AND NOT JUST A RELIGIOUS MINORITY.
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The Islamic veil
Submitted by sid sall (not verified) on Mon, 29/06/2009 - 19:42.woman should be able to cover their faces even in the bible,it does not allow a woman to stand infront of a congration without covering her face.But nowadays we do see woman preaching in churches without hiding their faces,when you ask them they say thingd have changed,but does it mean that God's law changes?
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Burqa
Submitted by Aftab Khan (not verified) on Mon, 29/06/2009 - 17:17.To all muslims men and women, please think for yourself before you put certain styles in practice, would the Holy Prophet (PBUH) approved this dress. As good muslims we shoulod avoid cultural customs and associate them to Islam that create controversies in the western societies.
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